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#122369 - 11/05/13 02:14 AM Re: Food Stamps benefits cut [Re: Derid]  
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Originally Posted By: Derid

Lets not forget it was the Dems that threw the food stamps under the bus in exchange for FLOTUS ego-gratifying "anti-obesity" school program.


So this is the new flavor of GOP red herring?


#122373 - 11/05/13 03:39 AM Re: Food Stamps benefits cut [Re: Sini]  
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No, its a reminder that both parties are equally complicit in this. And trying to frame up GOP alone just shows a tremendous amount of bias.


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#122376 - 11/05/13 04:40 AM Re: Food Stamps benefits cut [Re: Sini]  
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Originally Posted By: Sini
Ironically, this is not going to affect me or Jet. We are not on food stamps, we are also well-off enough that we can afford to hide behind tall walls of exclusive gated communities with private security. It is people like Hele that going to get caught on the wrong side of a starving looting mob and then wonder where it all went wrong.

How about this for math - it is cheaper to pay for generous social assistance than to incarcerate. Each prisoner costs taxpayers about $50K per year.


Its nice to know your rich and are the cause of all the problems
in the world, please donate all your money to the poor then
I will give you props for caring like you want everyone to
think.

And please keep talking about me like you know me.

How the fuck does this involve prisoner cost??

You once again assume I am against helping the needy.

Once again you prove your ignorance.

Please keep posting, it only proves my point.


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#122377 - 11/05/13 04:44 AM Re: Food Stamps benefits cut [Re: Sini]  
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Originally Posted By: Sini
Originally Posted By: Derid

Lets not forget it was the Dems that threw the food stamps under the bus in exchange for FLOTUS ego-gratifying "anti-obesity" school program.


So this is the new flavor of GOP red herring?


This proves your "side" is only in the game for politics not the
so called progressive march to help the down trodden.
Its really pathetic that you defend the people who act just
like the people you hate.

BTW the cost of health care in the state I live in is going to
rise by an average of 74% due to Obamacare. I guess you
get what you wanted, another way to tax people.


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#122378 - 11/05/13 04:58 AM Re: Food Stamps benefits cut [Re: JetStar]  
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Originally Posted By: JetStar
Originally Posted By: http://sanghoee.com/why-the-republican-math-on-food-stamps-is-stupidly-wrong/
If a person cannot find work and is unable to obtain food, what exactly do the Republicans think that person will do? Retreat into the shadows and die quietly? Migrate to the mountains and live off berries until the job market improves? Of course not. People with no available means to make a living, wracked by hunger, and desperate to survive, will not just disappear to avoid inconveniencing others, but will instead beg, steal, or kill, to stay alive. That is not a threat that is simply human nature and harsh reality.

And this will in turn lead to increased homelessness, poverty, disease, and crime. All of these things carry a heavy cost for society both in dollar terms as well as in terms of the integrity of our social contract, and you do not need a Congressional Budget Office report to recognize that the ultimate price tag could be considerably higher than $4 billion a year.

But that is something the GOP willfully refuses to factor into its calculations so obsessed is the party with cutting the budget and so opposed to helping the poor that it is willing to fudge the math to get there. The irony, of course, is that even though Republicans are diehard capitalists, and even though a simple cost-benefit analysis would reveal that keeping SNAP intact is the cheaper option, they are unable to apply even that principle here because of their fanaticism.

That is not governing and it is not even smart politicking; that is just bad old-fashioned stupidity.


This doesn't even make sense...
Snap is not being destroyed.
Snap had a limited time increase and the time is up.
So what do the liberal progressives do????
They run around saying the republicans are cutting and slashing
the Snap program.
The Snap program is still in full effect. People are still get
the money for snap.
It boggles my mind how you guys fall for it every time.

This is why I say over and over the Democrats are better
politicians. Which is not a complement.


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#122379 - 11/05/13 05:02 AM Re: Food Stamps benefits cut [Re: Sini]  
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Originally Posted By: Sini
Ironically, this is not going to affect me or Jet. We are not on food stamps, we are also well-off enough that we can afford to hide behind tall walls of exclusive gated communities with private security. It is people like Hele that going to get caught on the wrong side of a starving looting mob and then wonder where it all went wrong.

How about this for math - it is cheaper to pay for generous social assistance than to incarcerate. Each prisoner costs taxpayers about $50K per year.


So all the rapist and murders and such should be let out and
we can provide them with housing and food. Great plan, please
put a case study together and pass it along to you state gov.
I am sure they will get the ball rolling.


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#122386 - 11/06/13 01:38 AM Re: Food Stamps benefits cut [Re: Helemoto]  
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Originally Posted By: Helemoto

How the fuck does this involve prisoner cost??


If it costs more to imprison than to prevent crime, then prevention is preferred. Now, by prevention I don't mean more policing but more social programs. You might view people on social assistance as lazy non-contributors, but if you force them to get going they turn to crime. So, perhaps letting them be is cheaper option?


#122387 - 11/06/13 01:40 AM Re: Food Stamps benefits cut [Re: Derid]  
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Originally Posted By: Derid

No, its a reminder that both parties are equally complicit in this.


False equivalence. In this specific case parties are not equally complicit. Cutting food stamps in not on Democratic party's agenda.


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Originally Posted By: Helemoto
So all the rapist and murders and such should be let out and we can provide them with housing and food.


Actually, jails are filled with war on drugs non-violent "offenders". Rapist and murderers are minority of incarcerated population. Still, this is not the point. The point is that if you have strong social programs you have less crime of all kinds and have less need to incarcerate.

So again, cut food stamps -> increase crime -> more taxes to incarcerate.


#122390 - 11/06/13 05:42 AM Re: Food Stamps benefits cut [Re: Sini]  
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Originally Posted By: Sini
Originally Posted By: Derid

No, its a reminder that both parties are equally complicit in this.


False equivalence. In this specific case parties are not equally complicit. Cutting food stamps in not on Democratic party's agenda.


Hmm... but it was. Please do not confuse actions with words.


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