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I think its funny that Sini chooses to take my drunken ramblings and pounce on them as though he has just won some sort of victory while actually ignoring the point I was making.

You posted something about Bush as though I was a champion of his and am now blaming Obama. The reality is that I was saying the same things under Bush, and when I point out to you that Obama is basically Bush 2.0 you start screaming about how terrible Bush was. Congratulations, your blinders are firmly in place and not likely to move any time soon.

It isn't about specifically you. You say you opposed Bush policies and I chose to trust you on this. My point isn't about what you did or did not during Bush years, rather what conservative movement did or did not.

You can't deny that conservatives discovered fiscal responsibility and shrinking government the moment Obama got elected. In other words, it is _all_, including recent shutdown, a political theater.

It turned tragedy when Libertarians chose to side with Tea Party over recent shutdown. It showed that there isn't anyone that could be trusted to govern on the right.

Does it mean that left can be trusted? Not necessary, but we _know_ that currently there is no alternative to them.

I have been arguing that the Dems and Reps are the same thing for a long time now. The flip flopping you're pointing out is indicative of exactly that. They only oppose certain policies when its the other side carrying them out.

We fundamentally disagree about what responsible governance is though, so your choice to believe the Dems are your only recourse is just that, your choice. I think, as did our founders, that limited government is the way to go, and the libertarians and the tea party are the folks taking us there.

Sini thats a load of crap. The Left has been continuing the greatest looting and destruction of civil liberties in the history of the country. A completely intentional and cynical destruction of the middle class.

You have it backward.

We know the Left can no longer be trusted.

Yeah of course libertarian leaning people supported the shutdown. They were after all sent to Washington to oppose the mayhem being committed by the Establishment. These issues come down to the citizens vs the Establishment. You just happened to buy into the Establishment presstitutes' accounts of how the entire Big Govt apparatus is needed, and we need even more debt, etc.

Left and Right has nothing to do with it. Obama is no more liberal than Boehner is conservative. Its entirely a false narrative based around meaningless bullshit like abortion and gays.

Tea Party was born, from grassroots, due to fundamental acknowledgement that leadership of both parties was engineering the biggest wealth transfer from them, as ordinary folk, to the elites in history. After all it was originally a reaction to Bush. Too bad noone on the liberal side of the political spectrum is interested in the slightest in taking on the Establishment. If there was, they would be joining with the Tea Part and libertarians in using govt budget as a tool to force major reform.

No, they are not talking us there. Limited government is still expected to pragmatically govern. If you show ideological unwillingness to govern then you are an anarchist. Even the most limited government imagined would still expect to honor its financial debts (no matter how small they are) and keep the light on in its very limited government offices.

The "shutdown" was just a partial slim-down, the whole "shutdown" crap is all hyperbole.

Debts and previously projected spending are different things.

USA has plenty of income to pay actual debts from revenue. Not raising ceiling would have been a less-than-catastrophic forcing of reduction of Fedgov not anarchy by any stretch. Without raising ceiling, FedGov still has a couple Trillion a year (forget exact number off top of head its over 2T though) of revenue to play with. Which is in no way shape or form arguable as a state of no-govt anarchy.

Tea Party however was willing to acquiesce to raising debt limit and full govt for a 1 year delay in the enforcement of the most regressive tax ever passed.

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If there is any truth to this or numerous other similar reports flying about.... Obamas zero sum game over Pelosicare is going to backfire so big there might not be a Democrat party in 3 years.

Here is another one:



Derid, argument via hoax chain letters is failing below your already low standards.

I know you don't want to hear anything that contradicts your position, but please at least take time to read Politifact.

I have read politifact. However, politifact has been getting many things wrong lately. Its credibility has taken a huge hit the past 6 months.

Its also been exposing itself as a political hack job with an agenda.

No longer any type of respectable standard in reporting.