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#114030 - 02/08/13 01:14 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Tasorin]  
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Wall of text about the right to bear arms: http://www.thepolemicist.net/2013/01/the-rifle-on-wall-left-argument-for-gun.html?m=1

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Speaking of the War on Drugs: Is there any greater source of “gun violence” in America? “ Most of the nonsuicide gun deaths in this country happen in densely populated, lower-income urban environments, [where] gangs and poverty are the proximate causes of the violence.“ You know, the Drug War Theater, where “addressing the incentives that lead young people in our inner cities to gravitate toward crime—incentives like the ability to gain money and status by trafficking in drugs when few other opportunities are available—would do more to begin to address the gun violence endemic in America than any of the well-intentioned but likely ineffectual ‘gun control’ laws that could be passed.” Liberals all know and talk all the time about the horrors of the War on Drugs. Is there peep one in any of the gun control proposals from liberal politicians or pundits about ending this disastrous crusade, arguably the greatest single source of gun violence in America? Silly me for asking.



#114036 - 02/08/13 02:44 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Daye]  
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Originally Posted By: Daye





Not much difference in sitting in a dark basement or sleeping in a dark
bedroom when the event unfolds. Besides, you're working from what the
prosecution is claiming happened. I highly doubt the guy sits up every
night waiting for someone to break in laying on his living room floor
in a ghillie suit :|

Make no mistake, there are at least TWO firearms in my bedroom.
Both loaded and ready to go.

Any entry to my home will trigger the alarm. Within 2-3 seconds I will be up,
armed and begin room clearing. My other half will stay in the bedroom with
instructions to shoot anyone that enters the bedroom other than myself.

Anyone I encounter will likely get shot at least twice with no warning.
I don't care if they're obviously armed or not. I don't care what their
intentions are.

If a target goes down I will move to the next target and repeat. If the
downed target still poses a threat, they will likely be shot again until
that threat is gone.


While the police will already be enroute due to the alarm, my other half
will be calling them anyway to make sure they announce their presense prior
to entering the home. ( for their safety and mine )


Interesting to see your perspective.

I was in the accident outside your house, my wife is bleeding out but my phone is broken. I am very desperate to save her life. I knocked on the door but you were asleep and didn't hear it. I broke into your house to get to the phone and to stop bleeding in my hand. You just shot me on sight.

I can't say that I would never shoot anyone without a warning, I too can be startled, misread the situation and so on... but my intention is to never under any circumstances to shoot anyone without giving them a warning and opportunity to disengage from the situation that I find threatening.


#114037 - 02/08/13 02:57 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Tasorin]  
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#114040 - 02/08/13 04:00 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Tasorin]  
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Nice find Arkh.

I was genuinely starting to think that there was not a true liberal progressive left in this country, let alone one with two brain cells to rub together.

I have been proven wrong. The author is spot-on, and efficiently separates the signal from the noise in modern US politics.


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#114041 - 02/08/13 04:02 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Tasorin]  
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I will point out the mistake here:

"I broke into your house to get to the phone"


My apologies for shooting your hypothetical avatar in need, but the safety
of MY family trumps all others. Especially within my own home.

A tragic outcome for sure, but it will not change my approach.


As for your links where home defense ended tragically, if I put some effort into it,
I'm sure I can scrape up far more examples where the homeowner and / or family
members owe their life to my line of thinking.

Hell, here is just one page:

Home Defense with Firearms

Found this quote for you:

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... disarm only those who are neither inclined
nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and
better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides,
for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one."

— Cesare Beccaria,
Essay on Crimes and Punishments, 1764



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#114048 - 02/08/13 05:48 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Tasorin]  
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Daye, I think we will have to agree to disagree in our approaches to home defense. I also appreciate the opportunity to have this discussion.


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#114050 - 02/08/13 05:55 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Tasorin]  
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/v...37_story_1.html

""The hunt led to two errant shootings in the pre-dawn darkness Thursday.

LAPD officers guarding a target named in the manifesto shot and wounded two women in suburban Torrance who were in a pickup truck delivering newspapers. Investigators said Maggie Carranza, 47, and her mother, Emma Hernandez, 71, were in a Toyota Tundra, similar to Dorner’s Nissan Titan. Carranza had minor hand injuries. Hernandez was hospitalized with a gunshot wound in the back. A lawyer said they had no warning.

Minutes later, Torrance officers responding to a report of gunshots encountered a dark pickup matching the description of Dorner’s, police said. A collision occurred and the officers fired on the pickup. The unidentified driver was not hit and it turned out not to be the suspect vehicle, they said.""

Perhaps instead of focusing on civilians owning weapons, we should be focusing on disarming the police.

I wonder if we will see charges for attempted murder brought against the officers involved in these incidents. I bet not. The State and its progressive allies (which other allies would it have in Cali? ) do like to protect their armed thugs.


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#114051 - 02/08/13 06:54 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Tasorin]  
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I can't help but imagine how Sini's break in plays out.



Wake up in the middle of the night to the sound of windows being broken out.
Sini grabs tactical rubber chicken and grandma's wooden spoon from night stand.

Sini "ARE YOU HERE TO HURT ME OR JUST STEAL STUFF?!?!?!?!"
Pause........
Intruder "Ugh I just need to use your phone man"
Processing...........
Sini "oh...you just need to use the phone? It is in the kitchen"
Intruder "Thanks man"
After Phone Call....
Sini and Intruder sit down for a nice glass of warm milk.
Sini " Man I was close to hitting you with my rubber chicken"
Intruder "So glad we talked it out before you did anything drastic."
Moments later....
Sini packs up a brown bag lunch for intruder and sends him off with a pleasant wave.


The End





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#114062 - 02/08/13 09:36 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Sethan]  
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Originally Posted By: Sethan
I can't help but imagine how Sini's break in plays out.



Wake up in the middle of the night to the sound of windows being broken out.
Sini grabs tactical rubber chicken and grandma's wooden spoon from night stand.

Sini "ARE YOU HERE TO HURT ME OR JUST STEAL STUFF?!?!?!?!"
Pause........
Intruder "Ugh I just need to use your phone man"
Processing...........
Sini "oh...you just need to use the phone? It is in the kitchen"
Intruder "Thanks man"
After Phone Call....
Sini and Intruder sit down for a nice glass of warm milk.
Sini " Man I was close to hitting you with my rubber chicken"
Intruder "So glad we talked it out before you did anything drastic."
Moments later....
Sini packs up a brown bag lunch for intruder and sends him off with a pleasant wave.


The End






Okay, I had to muster some considerable will power to keep
from spraying my drink all over my monitor when I read the
" tactical rubber chicken and grandma's wooden spoon " line :D

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#114064 - 02/08/13 09:50 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Derid]  
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Originally Posted By: Derid

I wonder if we will see charges for attempted murder brought against the officers involved in these incidents.


Murder, no. They didn't set out to kill innocent civilians.

Not sure what exact charges should be, but reckless this and that and discharge from LAPD.


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