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#112288 - 01/05/13 02:55 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Tasorin]  
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Derid, people in your camp are all too willing to throw core principles to the dogs to protect their stance on guns.

It doesn't get any more big-brother large-government than placing armed guards and checkpoints into schools.

I suppose you also support TSA airport security theater? Because this is exactly the same concept.


#112306 - 01/06/13 04:52 AM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Tasorin]  
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#112314 - 01/06/13 03:00 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Tasorin]  
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Sinij, the right to be armed *is* a core principle.

It is *the* most important right, because without armed force willing to protect them - we have no other rights.

People decided not to revolt when the 4th amendment rights were taken away, now we have no 4th amendment rights for example.

The regime has no morals. The regime cares not about you, or me, or anything but power and prestige and money. Gun control is not about, and has never been about creating a better society. Gun control started, back when the NRA supported it - as a measure to disarm Negroes. Yeah, those uppity blacks decided now that they ostensibly had right - that they should exercise them, some groups did so publicly. Well, Jim Crow didnt much care for that and thus the modern gun control movement was borne.

The new proposed gun registration database is a prime example.

Please tell me how registering legal gun owners is a crime deterrent. Perhaps the suicide gunman wont perpetrate a crime, because they are afraid the police might catch them eh? I mean, just imagine if the Sandy Hook shooter had been confronted with a Govt Database. He would have stolen someone elses gun, killed them, then gone on his rampage, then shot himself.

Registering legal gun owners is just a form of intimidation, which will lead to harassment, and ultimately give the goons a good place to start when it comes time to formally disarm the populace.

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The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom?

Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American… [T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people. – Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
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#112323 - 01/06/13 08:12 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Derid]  
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Please tell me how registering legal gun owners is a crime deterrent.


The same way registering your car is a deterrent against hit-and-run.


#112324 - 01/06/13 08:13 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Derid]  
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Originally Posted By: Derid

Registering legal gun owners is just a form of intimidation, which will lead to harassment, and ultimately give the goons a good place to start when it comes time to formally disarm the populace.


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#112331 - 01/06/13 08:38 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Tasorin]  
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#112336 - 01/06/13 11:35 PM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Sini]  
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Originally Posted By: sini
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Please tell me how registering legal gun owners is a crime deterrent.


The same way registering your car is a deterrent against hit-and-run.

I guess it would make sense if NOBODY ever hit and ran. However people still do it. Also, Driving is a privilege, having a gun is a right. At least that's what that little document called the Constitution says. Your chances of getting killed in a car wreck are FAR greater than getting shot!

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#112338 - 01/07/13 01:53 AM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Sini]  
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Fine, tell you what, forget the school guards idea. Clearly that's a crazy idea, because what we need to do is get rid of armed guards everywhere. Remove the mall cops, theater guards, sporting arena guards, post office guards, bank guards, airport guards, celebrity guards, and elected official guards. Seriously, let's see if we can hash out a plan where this will work. Go.

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#112341 - 01/07/13 03:02 AM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Brutal]  
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Don't get upset when your ideas are taken to their logical conclusions, but next time you advocate for the small government, or complain about getting finger-fucked by TSA, remember you were in the camp asking for more of that.

I hope you enjoy taking shoes off on the way to a movie theater.


#112343 - 01/07/13 04:27 AM Re: An Armed Society, is a politer Society [Re: Tasorin]  
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Here is how conversation on gun regulation looks like in a responsible society.

Canadians still hunt and own guns for self-defense, but don't have US problem with gun violence. Why? Because if you are irresponsible you are in a serious trouble.


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