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Upside down world when Pravda is making sense.

The author seems to understand from experience that the reason for the 2nd amendment is to protect you from the government (not hunting/sporting), but that can't be so because Sini informed us that no government has ever taken arms from their citizenry and then abused the fact that the citizens couldn't defend themselves. What a crackpot!?! ahHAHAHAH...


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" Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology."

This guy is quite correct.


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"was shot by an off-duty deputy"

Seems like law enforcement is doing admirable job.


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Man, if only there had been a deputy, on or off duty, at the school in Newtown.

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Originally Posted By: sini


"was shot by an off-duty deputy"

Seems like law enforcement is doing admirable job.


Well if you didn't live under a Rock, the Off-Duty officer was working as a security guard for the theater. There are people in law enforcement that have second jobs as security guards. They were lucky that theater has an armed guard, so you see it's a good idea to have a good guy with a gun when a bad guy with a gun comes running in.

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Wolfgang, you already answered this indirectly by supporting NRA statement, but do you suggest we place an armed security guards at key locations, such a schools? If so, do you suggest they should be government employees or volunteers?


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My question is this.

Why does having a view similar to the NRA statement automatically make you an NRA supporter?

I do not support the NRA because I think they are zealots just like everyone else but I did grow up going to a school district where a lot of our teachers and coaching staff were ex military or hunters and there were always firearms in or around the school. We even had training days every few months where students that were doing well could go across the street to the National Guard armory and learn about gun safetey and handling and also get to fire off rounds in the indoor range (with parental permission). For those students not able to attend this we had a yearly presentation put on by both the local Port Neches Police and National guardsman for awareness and handling.

I remember the day after the Columbine shooting we had someone call in a bombthreat to the school and before the students even knew we had teachers, the schools criminal justice students and people that lived in the surrounding neighborhoods of the school all on point alert and armed. Then the students were released in groups under armed escort to the guard armory where you could leave only after signing out.

I think it was well done and the entire time I was going through school we never had to feel like we were in danger but then again it may just be that because we were more educated in usage/prevention that firearms are just a way of life for us.

My next question is this and I ask because with experience in traveling I have seen it with my own eyes.

In knowing that law enforcement cannot be everywhere all the time why would you not want to allow citizens the ability to defend themselves or others from crazies?

I have worked in bars and clubs that have armed security. I have worked in ports and refineries that have armed security. Basically most high population social gathering areas here all have some form of armed security and our most highly populated city is Beaumont which is 120 thousand people at the most. I think people that are not willing to take their own precautions for their personal safety are completely insane.

My mother carries, my sister carries, my grandmother at 72 years old is still a crackshot with her 22 purse pistol.

The simple fact is like anything else firearms are tools and without training and respect for the tool the tool become dangerous.

Everything else is left to Darwinism.


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Originally Posted By: Donkleaps
Why does having a view similar to the NRA statement automatically make you an NRA supporter?


It doesn't, but I asked if posters here supported specific NRA statement - including parts of blaming video game violence on shootings and turning schools into TSA-like security theater.

In my mind you don't have to be anti-gun to oppose that statement as illogical.

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In knowing that law enforcement cannot be everywhere all the time why would you not want to allow citizens the ability to defend themselves or others from crazies?


Ability to defend yourself is a concept I support, but you have to weight benefits of that versus increased lethality of crazies. High powered large-clip hollow point semi-automatic rifle is above and beyond what one would need for self-defense, a low-caliber handgun will do just as fine, but a crazies armed with such weapons (as opposed to a simple handgun) are exponentially more deadly than they need to be.

We do we need to turn question of self-defense into MAD with high potential for collateral damage?


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Military rifles are needed to provide the general populace with military potential. Its really as simple as that.

Whether it is a local sheriff forming a posse to combat organized criminals, an invading army, or a corrupt govt that turns on its own people - there is an ever present need for the civilian populace to be armed.

When it comes to crazies, low cal handguns at close range are every bit as deadly as high powered rifles. Homemade bombs/IEDs are even more deadly. Heavy vehicles, especially those loaded with fuel and/or explosives are yet again even more dangerous.

Even if crazies were denied some access to simple firearms, I am far more afraid of what they would do if forced to get creative.


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Take guns out of the equation. If someone is going to run up and punch you then you better be able to kick them in the nads before they do.

That goes hand in hand with the government disarming citizens...what is to stop them from punching you in the face.

Another guy wanted to disarm the populace as well...his name was Adolf Hitler...remember that guy?

As a person that used to teach martial arts to kids I can say that YOUNG children playing violent games or seeing violent TV programming does affect their psyche. (Ever been in a room full of 6-10 year olds that just watched dragonball Z?

The problems lie in bad parenting and our countries recent laziness in dealing with problems. The ideology of just passing off your problem child to someone else or ignoring them and their growing issues is not good for anyone. If anything I say leave the gun issues where they lie and if you want a real radical agenda then move to not allowing people to have children without a license.

Personal responsibility is and should always be everything to an American citizen. If you are not capable of handling a problem or situation then have the personal wherewithall to not be in those situations.

I mean come on...people can't adopt russian kids anymore so maybe they will adopt the ones we already have hear that need homes.

A simple thing to remember:
It does not matter how many laws you make and how many ways you enforce that law. What matters is what you do in a situation where someone else is breaking said laws.

I'll put in terms everyone in KGB can easily understand.

RPK's are RPK's because they are RPK's. As an antiRPK group you know it is impossible to stop RPK's before they strike 100% of the time. I challenge you to pick a single crafter minded player in the guild and be their personal bodyguard for 1 week. Every time that person is logged in you stand there while they harvest and craft and guard them from any and all harm. If they decide to play at 3AM then you wake up at 3AM with them and shadow them.

Now anytime they are attacked no matter how many attackers you HAVE to protect them at all costs and never let them die or have their area overran.

Man it sure is a lot easier to defend your crafter from 2-3 RPK's that have swords and knives if you have a rifle isn't it?

Oh wait, the village you live in now says that noone is allowed to carry anything other than harvesting tools and crafting equipment. (WTFAMIRITE?!?!?) Now only designated members are allowed to carry weapons in the village and those are selected by the village council.

Hey man I just got told I am supposed to be a soldier and always carry my weapons. The leader said you have way too much stuff in your house and all of it needs to go into the guild bank. Now I have a gun and you have a harvesting sickle. Looks like you are handing over all your stuff.

You know I was in your house getting all the stuff to put into the guildbank...I have always been a soldier and never had time to build and decorate this cool of a house...I am going to live here now and you are going to live in the tent outside. Good thing I know you don't have any weapons.

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