Originally Posted By: StValentine
I agree with Jet. But, not in the way you think. I think it's time we quit subusdizing the defense of Europe. Thats why they can afford all the health care plans and pensions pans they enjoy because they don't have to spend as much on defense because we're there.

I can't agree on that : the majority of european nations with big healthcare and pension plans can't already pay for it. See how public debts is getting crazy in here. Greece and Iceland did not fail for the lulz. Portugal, Ireland and Spain are not the next for nothing. And Italy, the UK and France will follow fast.

Now, the armies of a country should not be fucking used to mess in any other country if not attacked first (Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya now).
My stance on government is simple :
- an army to defend your citizen against other countries
- a diplomatic corp to not have to use the army
- police and justice system so citizen don't fuck themselves

Nothing more. No state pensions, healthcare, education and all other shit you can think of.

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